Sources#
- How Anthropic's product team moves faster than anyone else | Cat Wu (Head of Product, Claude Code)
- Running an AI-native engineering org
- The ERP for the AI Revolution is here
Summary#
The cross-source claim that product sense is built, not innate — and the way you build it is relentless first-hand use of the thing you ship. Fiona Fung calls it "ant food" (Anthropic's term for dogfooding) and names it the answer engineers kept asking her for: how do you build the product-sense muscle? Use the product until you "feel it in your bones." The same discipline recurs as Cat Wu's lunchtime vibe-checks (Claude Character as Product) and John Glasgow's "I'm in every Slack channel with every customer" (Founder-Led Sales Discipline). When agents make generation cheap, taste is the scarce input — and dogfooding is its training regimen.
Why product sense becomes the scarce skill#
Once coding is cheap (Verification as the New Bottleneck), the constraint shifts to knowing what's worth building and whether it's any good — i.e., product taste. Fung's two engineering profiles she now hires for are "creative builders with product sense" and "deep system expertise." The first is the dogfooding-fed one. This is the org-level confirmation of Engineer PM Convergence and Evals as Product Spec: taste/judgment is the durable human skill as the harness shrinks.
Fung's mechanism: feel it in your bones#
Her recipe for building product sense:
- Dogfood — especially for managers, who pre-Claude often had no time in the product. "You really start feeling your product in your bones; you remember what problem you were trying to solve." Without it, "you make product decisions based on metrics, dashboards, or PowerPoints."
- Ship and iterate.
- Talk to customers — her passion project is onboarding small-business friends (restaurateurs) onto Cowork and watching them struggle: "really humbling to see how many things we could be doing better" in onboarding. (Tied to Anthropic's Claude for Small Business.)
The Mr. Peanut story is the taste-calibration anecdote: she coded a holiday "snowman" Claude in the CLI; her designer said it looked nothing like a snowman — "you turned Claude into Mr. Peanut." Human product/design taste caught what the builder couldn't see — the kind of judgment the model lacks.
Claude as cross-functional gap-filler (the flip side)#
Dogfooding reveals where you're weak; Claude then fills those gaps across all roles: designers on Claude Code make polish/UX fixes themselves via Claude instead of red-lining and handing to engineering (closing the iteration loop); Fung, a self-described verbose engineer, used Claude as a "content design partner" for short copy. "Claude is augmenting all the areas where you may not be as strong." Dogfooding tells you where the gaps are; the tool helps you close them — but the taste to notice the gap stays human.
The three faces (cross-source)#
| Source | The dogfooding move |
|---|---|
| Fiona Fung | "Ant food" — managers dogfood to keep product sense; onboard small businesses to feel onboarding pain |
| Cat Wu | Lunchtime vibe-checks of the model as eval discipline (Claude Character as Product) |
| John Glasgow | Founder in every customer Slack channel; joins sales calls to drive engineering (Founder-Led Sales Discipline) |
All three treat direct, repeated, first-hand contact with the live product/customer as the non-negotiable source of taste.
Connections#
- Fiona Fung — "dog food, dog food, dog food… ant food"
- Cat Wu — lunchtime vibe-checks as the same discipline in eval form
- John Glasgow — founder-in-every-Slack-channel as the customer-contact version
- Claude Character as Product — vibe-checks; character quality is judged by dogfooding, not metrics
- Founder-Led Sales Discipline — staying close to the customer is dogfooding the sales surface
- Evals as Product Spec — evals encode taste; dogfooding is how you acquire the taste evals encode
- Engineer PM Convergence — "creative builders with product sense" is the dogfooding-fed hiring profile
- Managers as ICs — managers-as-ICs exists so that managers keep dogfooding the codebase
- Jagged Intelligence (Ghosts, Not Animals) — the Mr. Peanut catch is human taste catching what the ghost can't
Open Questions#
- Dogfooding works when the team is the user (Claude Code) or near it (Cat Wu, Boris). How do you build product sense for users very unlike you — does "talk to customers" fully substitute, as Glasgow/Fung's small-business work suggests?
- Can dogfooding scale, or does it implicitly cap how large an AI-native product org can stay taste-driven before it reverts to dashboards?
Sources#
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- Cat Wu
Head of Product for Claude Code and Cowork at Anthropic; primary articulator of AI-native product cadence and engineer-…
- Claude Character as Product
Personality as load-bearing product surface; Amanda's role at Anthropic; lunchtime vibe-checks as eval discipline; the…
- Cowork
Anthropic's non-code knowledge-work agent product; sibling to Claude Code; output is decks/inbox/dossiers; same MCP/com…
- Engineer PM Convergence
Generalists across disciplines; product taste as bottleneck skill; Anthropic Claude Code team as case study; "just do t…
- Evals as Product Spec
Cat Wu's framing of evals as the emerging core PM skill: ten great evals beats a hundred mediocre; encode what done loo…
- Fiona Fung
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- Founder-Led Sales Discipline
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- John Glasgow
CEO/founder of Campfire; 10yr corporate finance; founder-led-sales advocate; long-horizon "last job I'll ever have"
- Managers as ICs
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